114. Women Helping Women Through Service: How ‘Hot Mess Express’ Brings Hope Through Cleaning and Community (with President and Board Chair Brittinie Tran)

‘Hot Mess Express’ is exactly as awesome as it sounds! This non-profit has affiliates all over the country dedicated to women helping women, judgment-free. Whether it’s a new college student moving into her dorm, a mom or family navigating a difficult season, or an elderly woman needing the love and support a true community can bring, these volunteers walk into homes and through compassion, cleaning and organization give women in their communities a fresh start. As they beautifully say, it’s ‘not a handout, just a hand.’

In this episode of the Do Something More Podcast, host Melissa Draper sits down with Brittinie Tran, President and Board Chair of Hot Mess Express, to talk about the heart behind this powerful organization. Brittinie shares inspiring stories from the field and gives the needed reminder that none of us need to feel alone or afraid to ask for help.

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Hot Mess Express Facebook

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Transcript

Melissa: This episode features the nonprofit Hot Mess Express.

They serve women in their communities by going into their homes and helping them with cleaning. An organization judgment free. They like to say that they love to give women not a handout, just a hand.

So listen to this episode with Brittany Tran, who is the president and chair.

She shares some great stories and also gives the beautiful reminder that none of us need to feel alone or afraid to ask for help.

Welcome to the Do Something More podcast,

the show all about service where we highlight the helpers who inspire us all to do something more.

If you're passionate about nonprofits or looking for simple ways to volunteer and give back to the causes that matter to you,

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I'm your host, Melissa Draper.

Stick around and I'll show you all the many ways anyone can truly make a difference and in our world today.

Welcome to this episode of the Do Something More podcast.

And today I am featuring a nonprofit that the minute I learned about it, it hit close to home. They're called Hot Mess Express and they serve women in their communities with no judgment through cleaning, organizing, and offering a fresh start.

And as I said,

I have experienced the beauty of this service on both sides. So I might get a little teary eyed, I don't know while we do this interview, but I'm excited to learn more about the good work that they do and we are going to do that through my guest today,

Brittany Tran. She is the president and board chair of Hot Mess Express. So, Brittany, welcome to the podcast.

Brittinie: Hello. Thank you for having me.

Melissa: So let's just get started. First by you giving a little introduction of yourself and then getting into exactly what you do with Hot Mess Express.

Brittinie: Yeah, absolutely.

So I am a wife, I'm a mom and a hot mess. And so that, that is, that is a great way to put me into those three categories pretty much sum me up.

But I lead Hot Mess Express and I'm based in North Carolina and have been able to, to grow the nonprofit across the country, which has been absolutely incredible. And yeah, I spend my days mostly trying to find new ways to validate women, to support women,

and to just reassure women that they're not as alone as they think. We get kind of lost in that a lot and feel like we're. We're more isolated than we are.

We actually do have a lot in common across the country, all of us. So I try my best to try and make that known and reassure women that, you know, we're all struggling.

So.

Melissa: Absolutely. And we all need to not feel alone. In that struggle as well.

Brittinie: Absolutely.

Melissa: So how did Hot Mess Express get started?

Brittinie: Yeah, so it was about four years ago. There was a mom who had posted in a local moms group and she. Her post was just very basic. She was just like, I need help with cleaning.

She said she was expecting her second child. She had a toddler at home.

Her partner was away a lot for work, and she just had hit her limit. But she made it very clear that she didn't really have the means for anything. So she was looking for recommendations for something affordable.

Cause she just. She just couldn't do it anymore.

And a lot of people were really quick to,

you know, cleaning ladies and companies and things like that that they thought would fit.

But we kind of recognized there was a bigger need there. She didn't really need to hire a cleaning service. She really just needed support. She needed a community. She needed her village.

And from that one post, that is how Hot Mess grew. And so we ended up, eight of us showed up for her and we just came with literally mops and buckets and cleaning supplies.

We got in there and we cleaned the house top to bottom. We had kicked the family out. We said, go have a good day together and when you come back, it's me all done.

And we did, you know, the windows and the baseboards, just all that stuff. That is just so overwhelming.

And we saw, we went in their fridge, we saw that there was a need there. So we ended up getting them some groceries and, you know, we switched out baby clothes.

Like, that's such a big one too. That is so overwhelming. We got all that ready and then we had dinner cooking in the crock pot. So when they walked in, they had had a day that they got to spend together without having to worry about what was waiting for them at home.

And she walked in and you could visibly see the weight just melt off of her. She just took it all in. And it was just the most beautiful moment. And we all remember it thinking, like, this is going to be something we have.

We have to do this again, you know.

Melissa: So,

yeah, I love how you said it's not just about coming in and cleaning,

because a lot of us could hire a cleaning service or we could have someone come in and do that. But I think as women especially, we feel that weight of wanting to create a home and a haven for our families.

And there's a feeling that goes with that.

And to have other women come in and help you in that moment to create, as you said, as she walked in, there's a feeling There.

And you're feeling mothered, too. I think in those moments,

they need to feel mothered just as much as they're trying to do it for their family, so. Exactly.

Brittinie: Mommy's the men to take care of us sometimes too, you know, and that is. That's what having women around you can do. You know, you have to take care of each other.

We're not meant to do this all alone. And there is so much more than, like you said, the cleaning and organizing is such a small piece of what we do.

There's so much more for just the mental health and just the reassurance. And I always talk about validating, but I feel like that's something that women need so frequently is just to be validated, that, you know, it's okay to feel stressed and it's okay for your house to get overwhelming and all of those kind of things.

So, you know, there's so many different things that we get to do when we do these missions.

Melissa: And I feel like you're kind of getting invited into that sacred space of just coming into their home again with no judgment and giving that assistance.

Brittinie: Yeah, absolutely.

Melissa: How did you grow it from there? And how did you come up with the awesome name of Hot Mess Express?

Brittinie: I love that.

That just makes you smile when you read it. Yeah,

that's one that, like, everyone always. They just like. It resonates, you know, I think because we're all just walking hot messes,

and so, you know, it resonates with people. That was actually really funny because we just put that out to kind of our group, and we were like. We threw three names out, and everyone overwhelmingly was Hot Mess.

And at this point, I can't even imagine it being anything else. Like, it is. Exactly. Perfect name.

So it is.

But, yeah, so we ended up. We had that mission post about it online,

and that TikTok blew up, and I mean, it was within like, a week that over 200 women were trying to create the same thing in their communities.

And so we spent a few months just doing, you know, local missions to our area, helping more and more women. The response was overwhelming. I mean, we had over 50 women just in our area alone who had asked for assistance.

So we were starting to do that for a few months. And then after that, you know, things around the country just started kind of popping up all over, and we were like, we probably should get a little bit of a handle on this.

So we ended up kind of, you know, reaching out to these women and starting to form an actual nonprofit with affiliates across the country.

Melissa: They really are all across the country. I checked, and there's one here in my county.

Brittinie: Love it.

Melissa: I could join, so. Yeah, I love that too.

And yeah, it does not surprise me that that video blew up. I think that was how I found your nonprofit was watching one of those videos. And as I said, I have been a woman in that situation that walked through a time where I struggled with my health and mental illness.

And I totally identify with the feeling that is of those angels coming in to help you when you can't always help yourself in the ways that you want. And then being able to turn that around and reciprocate, that has been such a blessing in my life as well.

Yeah.

Brittinie: Yeah, that's a big part of it. You know, the volunteering. Like, you know, I know that obviously the women that we help get so much out of it, but doing the helping is another part that isn't talked about very often.

But, like, that gives us so much. I mean, we also go into these homes and feel reassured, you know,

yes.

Melissa: That is life giving and validating to be of service and to be able to help another woman.

I'm sure you have, again from those videos, lots of good experiences. But do you have any stories. We love to hear stories on this podcast of those you have served or those who have been involved in serving that kind of illustrate more in depth the good work you're doing?

Brittinie: Absolutely. We've had.

I think one thing I love to talk about is the women that want to get involved and to start their affiliates and start and volunteer and stuff like that,

because they come to us and talk about how it resonates with them. You know, how they were going through cancer treatments and their house wasn't a priority, how their spouse was, you know,

you know, their life was unexpectedly taken and their house wasn't the priority. Special needs children, you know, the house isn't the priority. And so hearing all of these stories as they come to us and just say, like this just hits home.

And I want to be a part of it, I think speaks to the need.

And I think it's just one of the coolest parts. But the other part of it is definitely getting to do the missions and the women that we help,

it's very, very rewarding because we don't help, you know, just one specific women. We don't help just moms. We don't help just, you know, elderly or anything like that is just women across the board.

Because at any point in your life as a woman, you need help sometimes. And that's okay whether you've had children or not.

So that's something that we take a lot of pride in that, that we welcome all women.

So some of our missions are for just. For example, this year we had some missions that were helping, like, elderly women whose children had moved out of the house. And they just, you know, some of them have arthritis, some of them.

It's just difficult to bend down and to really get those things that we were talking about, like baseboards and the windows and that kind of stuff.

And then on the other side of it, we've helped, like, college students who have relocated for the first time in their life and they're setting up their apartment. And what a wonderful feeling to have a community to count on of women to your age, women older than you, who can help you set up and,

you know, offer advice and things like that. And so we've seen a lot of those kind of things, which is great too. I will say the one that stands out to me the absolute most is we had a woman that we had helped who her and her husband had had a catering company,

and life threw just everything at em and it became really hard. And so they ended up having to step away from that.

And they had to. Their house just started to just kind of close in on them. That just wasn't the priority. Their mental health wasn't the best, and they were struggling.

And so when we went to this mission, we could barely fit three of us in her kitchen because it was just so much clutter.

And she talked to us about how she was just so desperate to be able to use her kitchen and to provide, you know, cooking and do these things for her family again.

And so we ended up going back. I wasn't at that actual mission, so I came back and she wanted me to come back, come back because she wanted me to see it and to show it off.

And I think, like, how cool is that? You know, like, she just wanted to be like, look at my clean house.

Melissa: You know?

Brittinie: So we walked in, all three of us walked into that kitchen without any problems. We fit so comfortably. And she was just talking about how the night prior, she cooked her for the first time in over a year for her family in that kitchen.

And so, you know, I just think that that is so beautiful that we were able to offer that for her.

And she had such a new excitement. She was so excited. She was opening all the doors, showing the work that she had done as well, which was really cool to see that she was continuing.

It gave her that Motivation she needed, you know, that fresh start.

And so, yeah, so that was. That was just so cool to see the pride in her face as she was showing all that off.

Melissa: The thought I kept thinking as you shared that story and some of the others, is as you do these opportunities to serve and lift these women,

then it empowers them to be able to go and do that within their circle.

Brittinie: Absolutely.

Melissa: You know, cleaning up that kitchen allowed her to make dinner for her family, which was a service she wanted to do. Right.

Brittinie: Yes.

Melissa: And I. I could just see that. I could see you helping an elderly woman and being able to then serve or have her grandchildren in her home maybe in a way that she wasn't able to before.

So it's just a beautiful full circle thing.

Brittinie: Exactly. We talk a lot about when people join as volunteers or anything like that,

that this is not, you know, we don't have volunteers and then we have the women we help. Like, this is meant to be a community.

So the idea is, in this moment, this woman saying, I need the help. And so we rally around her and we help her and we lift her up and we get her back to where she needs to be.

And then in another moment, a volunteer is going to need help, and then we rally around that person.

It's meant to be a give and take. It's meant to create that community that I feel like we've really stepped away from, we've lost in the last few years. So we're really working hard to bring that back.

The idea of just giving to give, helping to help.

Melissa: Yeah. And creating that community that. I agree. We've lost some of that since COVID Yes.

We have that idea of just bringing people back together. And a lot of us want to be productive in our community. We want to be able to do those things.

So providing those opportunities is beautiful.

Brittinie: Absolutely.

Melissa: Well, do you. So do you usually have.

I'm sure every mission's a little different.

Do you usually have the family, like, leave for the day or sometimes are they there working along beside you, or do you just do whatever is best for the person that you're choosing to go in and help?

How does that look?

Brittinie: Yeah, we usually allow them to choose. We give that completely up to them. We don't want to put any pressure because it, you know, everybody has their own anxieties. And sometimes it's more anxious to watch and watch people go through all your stuff because we.

We get into stuff. We don't just surface clean.

We are pulling all the stuff out. We're opening cabinets Opening drawers. We're trying to make it sustainable. So we are, we're really in your stuff. So we always go through ahead of time and ask if there's any off limit areas, you know, but still like just watching people kind of go through and make decisions about your stuff and where it goes and things can be overwhelming.

And so on the other hand, some people feel very anxious walking away and trusting people to go through their things.

And so we like to give that as an option.

Sometimes they stay. And that is really rewarding because then we get to a kind of what I had talked to a little bit before,

be able to share our knowledge with them as well. You know, that's something that is kind of like this, this lost gift that we used to have where women would come together and that next generation passing that kind of stuff down.

A lot of these women, the reason their houses get to this also is because they weren't ever taught any of this. You know, like there's nowhere for them to have known how to keep a house.

Melissa: And so they just need a few tools.

Brittinie: Exactly. You know, and when you got a group of, you know, six to eight women coming in, I mean, we've all have our own houses and our own struggles. So then we all learn from each other, which is just really, really rewarding as well.

Melissa: I imagine there's a lot of friendships that are built in that process. Because I don't always love cleaning by myself, but I love cleaning with a group of women.

Brittinie: That's fun.

It's very different. You know, we always laugh because like, you know, there no mistake. Like our houses are not clean. Like we're not like, oh well, we're house. We've done everything.

We have nothing left to do. Well, let's go clean someone else's. You know, that that's not what's happening here. It's that we've cleaned this house a million times and we're kind of sick of it.

And so we're gonna go clean your house. It's a new space, it's, it's, you know, new items to put away, new things to see. And then we've got music going, we're talking, we're laughing, we're venting, whatever it is that you do with your girlfriends.

And it is a very different experience than when you're just sitting at your own kitchen sink watching the same dish again.

You're right.

Melissa: Yep. The one I just want to make my kids do because I'm done. So I'll go do somebody else's Instead.

Brittinie: Exactly. I always tell. Just to reassure, because I know that that kind of gets in their head. The women that we help like, that we have it together more than them.

And that's exactly what we're trying to break is. And I always tell them, I walk past my sink full of dishes, I step over the pile of laundry and stub my toe on a toy on the way out to help you, because you're in the thick of it.

You need it right now, you know.

And so, yeah, I don't like that,

them thinking that that is the case. And we are. We are literally the brand. We live the brand.

Melissa: Right.

Brittinie: Yeah.

Melissa: Nobody's superior here. We're all on equal ground.

Brittinie: Yes. They all understand.

And it's important for them to understand that because, you know, when we say no judgment, it's not,

you know, like a tagline or something, you know, we genuinely mean it. And when we bring on affiliates and we bring on volunteers,

we do ask those kind of questions because we want to make sure that they understand that, you know, sometimes people, they want to not pass judgment and they want to do those things, but your face gives you away, your body language gives you away.

And the women that come to support our nominees are women who are coming without any judgment. So you can. You can open the closet and let all the stuff fall out, and we're going to just ask where you want the stuff.

That's all that's going to happen.

Melissa: Right, right. Clean the bathroom that hasn't been cleaned in a while. And we're just going to say, what do you want me to clean?

Brittinie: Yes.

Melissa: Yep, absolutely. How do you usually find the women that you go and help?

Brittinie: So we have a process on our website where you can nominate yourself or someone else. We really, really strongly push the idea of nominating yourself.

I think that women need to ask for help when they need it and not be ashamed and not be afraid.

And so we've tried to create a safe space, space where you can ask for that help and all you're going to receive is the help. And so we have a form that you can fill out, and it basically just asks for a little idea of what you're looking at,

what your priorities are, that kind of stuff. And as long as it's within the scope of something we can handle, then we are happy to accommodate.

Melissa: Yeah. And I imagine that does.

Well, I can say that for myself. It does take a lot of courage sometimes to stand up and say,

hey, I need some help here. And I would imagine sometimes going to a group of women that maybe aren't in your circle can give you the courage to do that.

Brittinie: Exactly.

Melissa: We should be able to ask those closest to us. But if we are practicing doing that,

a good place to start is maybe people that aren't as much in our circle, and then we can start working our way back in as.

Brittinie: Yeah, and that's exactly what we hope. And there's a lot of women that, you know,

it's not all women who can't afford it. You know, a lot of women can afford to hire someone to come in and clean. A lot of the women we help have family that live in the area.

But there is a different level layer to that. Right. Like, that is the judgment that comes from allowing those people to come into your home and see it. And so having something that is specifically set up and made to come in without any judgment feels like a safe space.

And that's what. That's what we want, you know, So I totally get that. I also have had to learn. It's not something I was born with. You know, we were definitely raised to keep your home, and a home is a direct reflection of the woman in the house and,

you know, that kind of stuff. So really trying to change the whole mindset around that.

Melissa: Absolutely. That's great.

Well, going back to the volunteer side.

So it seems like with a lot of these affiliates, if you join one, you're not necessarily having to do every one that comes up. It seems like they kind of just put it out there and you try to get a group.

Is that kind of how it works? Am I understanding that right?

Brittinie: Yes. Yeah. They'll go through, and we try and kind of do it as they come in, but, you know, sometimes there's certain circumstances. We had a woman who was having a baby, and she was a desperate need to get some stuff organized and her baby was coming, so we went in there and bumped her to the top and tried to help her when we could so that,

you know. And then what happens is we create an event. We have different Facebook groups for the affiliates, and they create an event and they share just the basics, kind of who this person is and what the job would look like.

And we try and get as many volunteers as we can. You know, it's really interesting because it depends on the affiliate and the location. Some, you know, it's harder to find volunteers, and some it's harder to find nominees.

And so that's something we look for equally, is trying to encourage women to step forward to help and also to ask for help.

Melissa: So I just imagine as a volunteer it'd be good to know, hey, if you're signing up for an affiliate,

it's okay. You can say I can do one a month, you know, for sure someone else can do two or three a month.

There's no.

You're jumping in and doing what you feel you can give.

Brittinie: Exactly. We don't ever want it to be overwhelming. It's supposed to be, you know, just a thing that you want to do. Do you want to be a part of and I mean, even the length of the mission, you know, we welcome women coming just for a couple hours.

You know, if you can't stay for the full four hours or whatever the mission looks like,

just come in for a couple of hours. You know, there's nothing wrong with that and just seeing if it's for you even, or if you only have an hour to give or whatever that looks like.

But yeah, there's no pressure on that. And it's meant to just kind of create a community.

And a lot of our affiliates, it's really cool because they go beyond that and they do community events and get togethers and you know, girls nights, mom's night, that kind of stuff.

And again, building a community,

that's wonderful.

Melissa: What about if someone wants to start an affiliate if they don't have one in their area? What does that look like?

Brittinie: Yeah. So we've spent this last year working really hard to create an onboarding process because we want our affiliates to be sustainable, we want them to last and you know, to lead with confidence.

So we've really worked hard on that. So you can apply on our website and then we will go through an interview process with you. We have some onboarding tasks and things like that so that you're going into it feeling confident, you know, you know exactly what is within the scope of hot mess,

how to handle certain situations and that kind of stuff. So we have some amazing affiliates. We've, we've seen some amazing things and they together have actually We've almost hit 400 missions this year.

Melissa: Oh, wow, that's great.

And I just thought of one other question for like cleaning supplies.

Do the volunteers just kind of bring what they like to work with? How do you,

how do you manage all that?

Brittinie: Yeah, I mean, one cool thing about it is like I have learned so, so much from being around all these women.

Melissa: Everybody has their own little tips and tricks.

Brittinie: Yes, I'm telling you, they tell me things. I'm like, I genius.

That's a really cool part of it. But yes, we One of my favorite things is that Hot Mess is about showing up and offering your time.

And so if that means you show up with nothing in your hand but just hands ready to work and a judgment free attitude, you can absolutely turn house completely upside down with that alone.

A lot of our volunteers will bring supplies they have on hand. They'll ask, you know, every volunteer, can you bring one cleaning supply? You can also use what is on hand at the home.

There's nothing wrong with that as well.

You can lead a mission without any of that. Some of our affiliates have, you know, big goals, and they really want to have, you know, their specific items and cleaning supplies and vacuums and things like that.

And so they can fundraise and they bring in donations that way or through, like an Amazon wish list,

which is also really nice too. It kind of, you know, it's just fun. It makes it like something to look to, work towards. And it's nice having your own hot mess, you know, little set of stuff.

So.

Melissa: Yeah, and I guess that would be another way people could support it is to donate to the wish list for their affiliate.

Brittinie: Yeah, absolutely. And we, you know, a lot of our affiliates love to provide snacks and drinks or pizza or something like that for the volunteers, which is, you know, so important just to have that time.

We kind of take a break in the middle for 30 minutes and go out and just chat and eat, you know, and things like that. And then also sometimes they like to leave things for the women that we help.

We have some who. They actually have someone who bakes a cake for them that they leave every time.

We have someone who donates a loaf of fresh bread, which,

like, you're talking dreams here. I mean, my house is clean and it smells like fresh bread.

Yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of ways that, you know, they. They appreciate, you know, donations and things like that just so they can grow it and make it fun and bring in more people and, you know, just make it an enjoyable time for everybody.

Melissa: Well, you've sold me, Brittany. I want to go sign up right now with my own Hot Mess Express affiliate. As I said, this is something that's been near and dear to my heart as well,

and I know supports women in so many good ways and. And really helps them feel seen and loved no matter what season they're walking through.

Brittinie: Absolutely.

Melissa: And I hope we've convinced those who are listening to go find you and join an affiliate or start one.

But if that is not the case, we do always end each podcast episode with just general advice.

And so just generally, what is the advice you'd give for someone that's feeling that stirring? And I know we've talked about this a little bit, but maybe you could just put your own little final check on this.

Is feeling that stirring to help or again,

having the courage to ask for help from either side, what would advice are you going to give?

Brittinie: Yeah, I would say, you know, I mean, as far as for Hot Mess specifically, that again, I guarantee you're going to be met with welcome arms whether you're volunteering or you're asking for help,

any affiliate you go to. So if there's any hesitation that, you know, maybe these won't be your people or maybe it's going to, you know, you're going to feel uncomfortable, it's kind of cool because Hot Mess kind of weeds that out for you.

You already know they're going to be your people, you know.

Melissa: Right.

Brittinie: And we come without the judgment. We're Hot Messes, you know, so we're right there.

And then on top of that, just in your daily life, you know, even if it's not going forward with Hot Mess in any capacity, just in your own life, you know, making sure that you are creating a space for the women in your life to ask for help if they need it,

to step up and to do the thing, to offer the help, to give the help without even needing to be asked and also to show your own mess that, you know, we, we typically will scrub our house to the point where it looks like we don't live there when people come over.

And so just welcoming people as your house is, and it's okay, it's all right.

Because it's really setting that tone for her that, you know, she comes over and she's like, oh, okay. Other people live like this too,

you know.

Melissa: Right. I've said that for many years that I just want to invite people into my home, no matter its state,

because I hope I'm showing them that we're all allowed to have a messy home at times.

Homes are homes that are lived in.

Brittinie: It's okay for your house to look like you live in life.

Melissa: Yeah,

yeah,

well. And your group is doing something that women have done for hundreds of years. It's definitely not new work,

but I love this organized way of doing it and there's a lot of power in that organization and doing it that way and, and the things that you can accomplish.

Brittinie: Absolutely.

Melissa: Well, where can people find you on social media?

Brittinie: So our website is hotmassexpress Co.

And that's where you can apply to volunteer, to become an affiliate, to ask for help,

to donate. All of that is on our website.

And then our.

We're on TikTok and Instagram. We love to, to make reels and showcase the work we're doing. Who doesn't love a good before and after?

They're our favorites.

And so we're on all of those Hotmass Express nonprofit and so you can find us on there and see what we're doing across the country.

Melissa: Yeah. And fair warning, you might get emotional watching some of those videos. I for sure have.

Well, Brittany, this has been such a great conversation. Any final words that you want to share?

Brittinie: No, I just think that, you know, I encourage you to look into Hot Mess and see if it's the right fit and if it isn't, I just encourage you to support, support the women in your life and, and to, to not be putting so much pressure on yourself.

And it's, it's okay to,

you know, have a mess sometimes it's okay to not be perfect. And, you know, we're, we're all hot messes, like I said.

Melissa: So that's a beautiful message. Well, thank you so much.

Brittinie: Thank you.

Melissa: That concludes my interview with Brittany Tran and all the good work that she is doing with Hot Mess Express.

I will leave links to their website and their social media in the show notes so you can go learn more about them. And, and also I would highly encourage you to check out one of their videos.

They are inspiring to watch.

And I, of course, will always take your five star ratings or reviews or I would love to hear one thing that you have loved about this episode or another one that you have listened to on the Do Something More podcast.

You can do those wherever you listen to your podcast.

And as always this week, I hope that you can find a way to do something more to help lift and spend fire or make a difference.